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Title: Re-Disk Player
Post by: eugedunn on October 09, 2010, 11:43:41 AM
Good Morning
I tried to play a movie which was a iso.
The player that i have is very expensive and the response that i got from it is as follows/
(Playback prohibited by area limitation.
So i went downstairs to the other player that i have, put the disk in and lo and behold the disk played.
Now why would it not play on this expensive Sony player, and played on the other player which is
a cheap player.

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Title: Re: Re-Disk Player
Post by: Dan Millar on October 09, 2010, 03:48:45 PM
Hi Plume,

Ironic isn't it? Your Sony player is actually conforming to the rules set out for regional limitations placed on DVD distribution by"hard-coding" them to specific geographic markets. From the Wikipedia entry on "DVD Region Codes" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_region_codes#Standalone_DVD_players ) :

QuoteUsually a configuration flag is set in each player's firmware at the factory. This flag holds the region number that the machine is allowed to play. Region-free players are DVD players shipped without the ability to enforce regional lockout (usually by means of a chip that ignores any region coding), or without this flag set.

Your cheaper player is probably what they call "region-free", i.e. it ignores this silly, artificial limitation.

Cheers,

Dan
Title: Re: Re-Disk Player
Post by: eugedunn on October 09, 2010, 06:53:42 PM
Good evening Dan
I cannot believe  this.
It is not bad enough that the Goverment is trying to dictate to us what and what not to do.
I will definetly make sure that all of my friend know about this intrusion.
They are now dictating to us.
I am now so sorry that i bought this Sony Player.
I will definetly disconnect this apparatus and install the cheap one that i have in the basement.
I will now start looking for another one similar to the one i have in the Basement.
These Companies are definetly intruding in our private life.
                                          Thank you Dan for such valuable information
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Title: Re: Re-Disk Player
Post by: z-mac on October 09, 2010, 09:40:36 PM
Sony is a company that has tried repeatedly -- and failed repeatedly -- to control what consumers do with content that they buy. Sony's business philosophy has consistently been abusive to consumers.

A few well-known cases for you to consider:
Betamax. MiniDisc. SACD. Sony BMG CD copy protection. UMD. Blu-ray.



Title: Re: Re-Disk Player
Post by: eugedunn on October 09, 2010, 09:46:53 PM
Thank you z-mac
I am so discussed with these people.
Unfortunetly my 46" TV is also a Sony.
If only i had know.
                                                 Thank you for the information z-mac
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Title: Re: Re-Disk Player
Post by: Dan Millar on October 10, 2010, 12:29:02 PM
Yes, but it isn't just evil Sony, it's the industry. Paranoid they will lose one penny in profit to privateers, this measure has lead to the ridiculous prospect of purchasing an entire video library in one country, then being denied the freedom to transport and use said library unless willing to face the 6-to-1 probability it won't play in your new digs. "Oh, but you could buy another player" seems to be the industry's answer. Duh. Programs like Mac the Ripper and Handbrake are able to neutralize the region-coding on most disks, and remove the ridiculous copy-protection as well.

I'm sure Plume and z-mac remember the bad-old-days when you could buy a vinyl-encoded recording, then make a mash-up tape, reel-to-reel or cassette, and there was nothing stopping you! The natural evolution of these criminal practices was that nobody bought any new music, all music was recorded live off-the-air and distributed underground, and all the big music companies went stone-broke - NOT!

The industry got so paranoid that we still, to this day, pay a small fee every time we purchase any blank media (this started with cassettes) to pay for the criminal copying of music, film, radio or TV. We're all guilty and therefore, must pay. Good on them! So that the food we are stealing out of the poor performer's mouths is being protected by the Big Studios - NOT! - they don't get one penny of it! It goes to pay for executive bonuses and the merger and acquisition (murder and execution) of smaller companies, you know, to enhance competition!

This "fee" is part of the reason we don't see BluRay on Macs, and why Apple hates DRM ("Digital Rights Management" - the macaronic term for this retardation), and why we should all hate DRM and the companies that promote it.

A rant for Thanksgiving!

Happy Mac'ing,

Dan
Title: Re: Re-Disk Player
Post by: eugedunn on October 10, 2010, 03:52:10 PM
Hello Dan
Thank you for the information.
And a thanksgiving to you and your Family
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Title: Re: Re-Disk Player
Post by: z-mac on October 10, 2010, 09:47:27 PM
I agree with what Dan said. The Entertainment Industry is about everything except Art and the Artists, just as the Military Industry is about everything except Peace.

But there is something especially notable about Sony: they are so inept (or unethical, take your pick) that they decided to put a *root kit* on consumers' computers (Sony BMG copy-protection scandal).

There's nothing new about a company making poor business decisions or mistreating its consumers by making shoddy products, crippled products, cutting corners, or denying problems. (Apple itself has done these things.)

Sony has gone further than most by telling consumers that their security is secondary to Sony's profits.

If we're going to do some ranting about horrible companies, how about the Microsoft-Adobe rumour of merger? (o:
Title: Re: Re-Disk Player
Post by: eugedunn on October 10, 2010, 11:02:58 PM
Good Evening z-mac
You and Dan are so right.
But those big Companies control the whole situation.
It is pitiful when you do not give a Dam about your customers.
I call that interfering with with peoples privacy.
But you know eventually people will smarten up just like i did.
Before i purchase anything  from now on ,i will first inquire if Sony
had anything to do with it.
Thank you z-mac for all the info that you provide.
You and Dan deserve a lot of Kudos.
I wish you and your family a pleasant Thanksgiving.
I also would like to wish a Pleasant Thanksgiving to all the people associated
with this Website, that also includes Brian.
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Title: Re: Re-Disk Player
Post by: ben schmidt on December 11, 2010, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: plume on October 09, 2010, 11:43:41 AM
I tried to play a movie which was a iso.
The player that i have is very expensive and the response that i got from it is as follows/
(Playback prohibited by area limitation.
So i went downstairs to the other player that i have, put the disk in and lo and behold the disk played.
Now why would it not play on this expensive Sony player, and played on the other player which is
a cheap player.

If the issue is that the DVD is Region Coded, i.e. restricted to play only in certain geographic regions, the reason the DVD plays on your (cheaper) DVD player but not on your more expensive player, may be because the former was built before DVD Region Coding became commonplace. I think after around 2001 (?), DVD players sold in US/Canada were required to honour DVD Region Codes.  Or could it be that since the legality of selling DVD players which ignore Region Codes in Canada/US is somewhat grey, could it be that off-brand DVD players can take the risk while brand-name DVD players cannot? 

Regardless, I agree that DVD Region Codes are iniquitous. BTW, I think that widely available DVD ripping software such as Handbrake do not honour Region Code restrictions, allowing the resulting .mp4 video file to be watched on a computer or AppleTV.

...ben
...ben